Boatpeople debate drowning in Gillard's BS

Well.

Gillard's asylum solution is falling apart, it took about 12 hours. East Timor are not up for the "regional processing centre" at all.

All she had to do was re-open the Nauru one and be done with it.

I knew she was stuck. She cant please the right and the left at the same time.

But she's gonna give it a damn good try.

The bullshit is staggering, if it were possible I'd say it is worse than under Rudd. (The amount BS in the Asylum speech yesterday was well outlines by Bolt here)

I remember wayne swan last week saying that labor were not going to engage in "megaphone diplomacy" - on the mining tax that time.

This week that is literally what Labor did. OK there was no literal megaphone but they made a loud announcement through the media to other countries in the region, by-passing the more subtle and usual diplomatic channells, and expected those other countries to go along with it.

Surprise surprize that NZ and East Timor wont have a bar of it.

GIllard claimed to have consulted other countries, but that was limited to phone calls the night before to top-level people that those people felt duty bound to not snub straight away for fear of harming relations with Australia, probably because it had been the first chat they'd had with the new Aus PM and as heads of state/govt they represent their people and must be tactful, even when taken by suprize.

But we learn today that nobody had been informed in a meaningful way and the person in East Timor gillard consulted, president Jose Ramos-Horta, has no constitutional power to help her anyway.

Hypocrisy, stupidity, and incompetence par excellence. I really don't think it's possible for Labor to rate higher on any of these scores.

And oh. Does anyone think that Aussie voters concerned about border security are gonna be happy about the decision to give free gunboats to our neighbouring countries?

Um. We actually want to discourage invasion, not enable it. I mean WTF!!!!!!

Dumb and dumber.

Labor wants a "nuanced" position on asylum. But people-smugglers are the biggest cynics in the world, and they know bullshit when they hear it.

A really simple message has to go out - "don't bother coming. it wont get you anywhere." That is the only way to stop the boats.

But labor has lost all credibility on this issue and people smugglers know deep down that labor is kept in power by lefties and lefties sympathise with their plight.

So when gillard gives this messages she is not believed. There are are 7 words she has to utter that might make a difference to the boats

"We were wrong. John Howard was right."

There is an emotional meaning that comes with the use of the words "John Howard" and that meaning is "we're serious."

All considerations of currying favour with lefties at that instant go out the window, and the people smugglers realise, "John Howard. That was the guy that stopped us last time. Shit we're in trouble now."

But Gillard is a hypocrite. And she will never admit that. Proof: her insistence on saying that the pacific solution was immoral under Howard while adopting it herself, and calling Liberals baby- drowning murderers when in fact it is Labor policies that have lured boat people to their deaths in huge numbers.

If you have your cake and eat it too you are probably covered in spew.

And we can all smell it.


What most shits me about labor and the media's position on this issue is that the people of australia were consulted on boatpeople in 2001 - the so-called "tampa" election. They said loud and clear that the solution they wanted was to stop the boats by re-electing Howard with an increased majority.

Then labor comes along and lies about wanting to stop the boats (They dont want to stop the boats. They want the boats to come) and gets into power and undoes all the good work that had been done previously by the Liberals, a solution that the people wanted and voted for.

Labor have disregarded the orders of their masters the Australian people, and deceived them. They have insulted the sovereignty of the will of the Australian people - as represented by our constitutional system of elections.

I think that's what Abbott's line should be. The Australian people have already spoken on this and Labor should respect the the Australian people's decision.

Stop trying to play us for a bunch of saps. We voted for Howard's solution. Admit you were wrong and give it to us, or step aside.

The boats are going go keep coming. Because labor wants them to come. They see boatpeople as refugees when they are not. They are economic migrants coming to this country illegally. A refugee wanting protection goes to the embassy of a friendly country or to the neighbouring country. As soon as the bullets stop they are ok. They dont need to come all the way over here to be safe. It's money that lures people all this way, not safety. Refugees need to be re-settled but they have no right under the UN convention on refugees to choose what country there are settled in. This is what boatpeople try to do. Boatpeople exploit the sympathy and openness of western societies to play on our guilt and pretend to be refugees when they are not.

Under John Howard in the past and under Abbott in the future Australia took/will take in our fair share of legitimate asylum-seekers resettled by the UN, from Somalia etc.

We wont be taking in any illegal immigrants.